Lance banned from Chicago

[Dstew]

An interesting take from Amby Burfoot:

http://footloose.runnersworld.com/2012/ ... trong.html

I have to agree.

If he is running with his charity to raise money, just do not give him a timing chip.

[Jo-Jo]

Agree with the article.

[canalrunner]

Does seem like unnecessary piling on. What's next? He has wear a tracking bracelet rather than a livestrong?

[purdy65]

Totally agree with the article. I read it yesterday, and shook my head.

[ian]

I'll be the dissenting one here by supporting Armstrong's exclusion from the Chicago Marathon. He knew full well that there would be implications to his decision not to contest the charges against him. These stories feel like yet another publicity stunt and it's unfortunate that he is using his foundation as a hostage in this battle. Let Chicago be a day of celebration for clean sport and the 40,000 individual journeys to get there.

[jonovision_man]

I'll be the dissenting one here by supporting Armstrong's exclusion from the Chicago Marathon. He knew full well that there would be implications to his decision not to contest the charges against him. These stories feel like yet another publicity stunt and it's unfortunate that he is using his foundation as a hostage in this battle. Let Chicago be a day of celebration for clean sport and the 40,000 individual journeys to get there.

+1. Lance still seems to think the rules don't apply to him, that he's above the rules of sport.

jono

[HCcD]

Perhaps, in light of his recent decision to not pursue the charges/allegations against him, and accepted the sanctions, as a result, he should just lay low for a bit and let the dust settle ....

It appears, as suggested above, that he is just seeking media attention, good or bad ... in the case of the Chicago Marathon, he had never even indicated his intention to participate in this year's race, as he had not even submitted a registration, per se, until this announcement was published last week, that regardless, he would not be permitted due to the sanctions placed upon him ...

If he is looking to enter races and events, I know of one local Promotions company that would likely allow him to participate in their races, both road races and multisport events ...

Having said that, if he continues to play these media PR games, it will be interesting to see how public opinions shift ... in support of, or against him ???

[Robinandamelia]

It's total overkill.... Regardless of what you think Lance did or didn't do, this is overkill.

[CAW]

Perhaps, in light of his recent decision to not pursue the charges/allegations against him, and accepted the sanctions, as a result, he should just lay low for a bit and let the dust settle ....

It appears, as suggested above, that he is just seeking media attention, good or bad ... in the case of the Chicago Marathon, he had never even indicated his intention to participate in this year's race, as he had not even submitted a registration, per se, until this announcement was published last week, that regardless, he would not be permitted due to the sanctions placed upon him ...

If he is looking to enter races and events, I know of one local Promotions company that would likely allow him to participate in their races, both road races and multisport events ...

Having said that, if he continues to play these media PR games, it will be interesting to see how public opinions shift ... in support of, or against him ???

Bingo!

I've been a fence-sitter on the Lance issue for years, acknowledging both sides of the arguments.

But now I'm just getting sick and tired of the shenanigans.

[Jwolf]

I'll be the dissenting one here by supporting Armstrong's exclusion from the Chicago Marathon. He knew full well that there would be implications to his decision not to contest the charges against him. These stories feel like yet another publicity stunt and it's unfortunate that he is using his foundation as a hostage in this battle. Let Chicago be a day of celebration for clean sport and the 40,000 individual journeys to get there.

yup, I agree.

It's not just Chicago- its any IAAF sanctioned event (in this case the national governing body, USTAF). It would set a bad precedent if he were allowed to be there.

Lance made his bed and now needs to sleep in it.

[jonovision_man]

yup, I agree.

It's not just Chicago- its any IAAF sanctioned event (in this case the national governing body, USTAF). It would set a bad precedent if he were allowed to be there.

Lance made his bed and now needs to sleep in it.

I think the point above needs to be stressed! This wasn't Chicago's choice, any more than it was WTC's choice to prevent Lance from doing Ironman.

The USADA judgement applies to any sport whose governing body has signed the World Anti-Doping Code. That is pretty much everything... unless he's interested in stoking up a baseball career.

Lance accepted their ruling knowing that was the case. He's the reason his "charity" is losing out, and only he is to blame.

jono

[Mark.AU]

yup, I agree.

It's not just Chicago- its any IAAF sanctioned event (in this case the national governing body, USTAF). It would set a bad precedent if he were allowed to be there.

Lance made his bed and now needs to sleep in it.

I think the point above needs to be stressed! This wasn't Chicago's choice, any more than it was WTC's choice to prevent Lance from doing Ironman.

The USADA judgement applies to any sport whose governing body has signed the World Anti-Doping Code. That is pretty much everything... unless he's interested in stoking up a baseball career.

Lance accepted their ruling knowing that was the case. He's the reason his "charity" is losing out, and only he is to blame.

jono

Amazingly as it might seem to one or two members on the Dark Side section, I agree with all of this. It's due process.

[Jo-Jo]

yup, I agree.

It's not just Chicago- its any IAAF sanctioned event (in this case the national governing body, USTAF). It would set a bad precedent if he were allowed to be there.

Lance made his bed and now needs to sleep in it.

I think the point above needs to be stressed! This wasn't Chicago's choice, any more than it was WTC's choice to prevent Lance from doing Ironman.

The USADA judgement applies to any sport whose governing body has signed the World Anti-Doping Code. That is pretty much everything... unless he's interested in stoking up a baseball career.

Lance accepted their ruling knowing that was the case. He's the reason his "charity" is losing out, and only he is to blame.

jono

Amazingly as it might seem to one or two members on the Dark Side section, I agree with all of this. It's due process.

I didn't realize the above points made by jono and jen.
What sports aren't covered by this Code??

[HCcD]

yup, I agree.

It's not just Chicago- its any IAAF sanctioned event (in this case the national governing body, USTAF). It would set a bad precedent if he were allowed to be there.

Lance made his bed and now needs to sleep in it.

I think the point above needs to be stressed! This wasn't Chicago's choice, any more than it was WTC's choice to prevent Lance from doing Ironman.

The USADA judgement applies to any sport whose governing body has signed the World Anti-Doping Code. That is pretty much everything... unless he's interested in stoking up a baseball career.

Lance accepted their ruling knowing that was the case. He's the reason his "charity" is losing out, and only he is to blame.

jono

Amazingly as it might seem to one or two members on the Dark Side section, I agree with all of this. It's due process.

I didn't realize the above points made by jono and jen.
What sports aren't covered by this Code??

WWE

[CAW]

yup, I agree.

It's not just Chicago- its any IAAF sanctioned event (in this case the national governing body, USTAF). It would set a bad precedent if he were allowed to be there.

Lance made his bed and now needs to sleep in it.

I think the point above needs to be stressed! This wasn't Chicago's choice, any more than it was WTC's choice to prevent Lance from doing Ironman.

The USADA judgement applies to any sport whose governing body has signed the World Anti-Doping Code. That is pretty much everything... unless he's interested in stoking up a baseball career.

Lance accepted their ruling knowing that was the case. He's the reason his "charity" is losing out, and only he is to blame.

jono

Amazingly as it might seem to one or two members on the Dark Side section, I agree with all of this. It's due process.

I didn't realize the above points made by jono and jen.
What sports aren't covered by this Code??

WWE

[Stephan]

$470 million raised for Cancer research. For some reason that statement overshadows anything else I read in the media, I say let the guy run with a jetpack strapped to his back if he wants.

[jonovision_man]

I didn't realize the above points made by jono and jen.
What sports aren't covered by this Code??

Aren't? I think it's only the NHL, NBA and MLB... maybe NASCAR? I'd have to check that last one (but I don't think it's in Lance's area of interest!).

jono

[turd ferguson]

yup, I agree.

It's not just Chicago- its any IAAF sanctioned event (in this case the national governing body, USTAF). It would set a bad precedent if he were allowed to be there.

Lance made his bed and now needs to sleep in it.

I think the point above needs to be stressed! This wasn't Chicago's choice, any more than it was WTC's choice to prevent Lance from doing Ironman.

The USADA judgement applies to any sport whose governing body has signed the World Anti-Doping Code. That is pretty much everything... unless he's interested in stoking up a baseball career.

Lance accepted their ruling knowing that was the case. He's the reason his "charity" is losing out, and only he is to blame.

jono

Amazingly as it might seem to one or two members on the Dark Side section, I agree with all of this. It's due process.

I didn't realize the above points made by jono and jen.
What sports aren't covered by this Code??

According to the internets he's racing a non-sanctioned 70.3 this weekend in California.

[Dstew]

New York Marathon Race Director:

"We will go to USATF and the IAAF (international track federation) formally and ask for a clear ruling on whether the USADA settlement applies to participation in our event," Wittenberg said. "We know USATF rules apply to the professional part of the field. We are not sure how they apply to the participatory part of the sport."

The strange thing is that I went onto to USATF website. Chicago is a USATF certified course but not a USATF Sanctioned event. Malibu and Seattle are two other such events. I noticed Portland was neither.

From the USATF website as to why to sanction your event:

What is a "sanction"?

A USATF sanction is an official designation issued by USATF, through a local Association, which approves and licenses the holding of a competitive track & field, long distance running or race walking event in the United States. The sanction is also a contract, which evidences the event's commitment to follow national and international rules and regulations of the sport and to provide a safe environment for the participants and spectators. Once the event has satisfied the sanction requirements, the event's application for sanction is approved.

Benefits of sanctioning your event:

Sample USATF Sanctioned Event LogoIncreased Prestige - For many events, the USATF sanction improves the event's public perception. A sanction tells athletes that an event is being run according to applicable competition rules. Sanctioned events have the ability to use the USATF event designation logo to promote the fact that the governing body has sanctioned the event.
Liability Insurance - Most governmental entities including cities, counties, state highway departments, parks and community centers require general liability insurance for all events. The cost of a sanction is very inexpensive compared to the prices of most event insurance policies. It is important to know that events that are already insured may choose to waive the insurance coverage and pay a lower sanction fee. More info (PDF)
Medical Insurance for Athletes - Any athlete who is a USATF member and is injured while participating in a sanctioned event will be eligible for secondary medical insurance coverage for the injury. This insurance not only provides valuable coverage to USATF members, but it serves as a valuable deterrent to lawsuits.
Calendar Promotion - Sanctioned events will be included in the USATF online calendar and be highlighted to distinguish them from non-sanctioned events.
Records - In general, a sanction is required for a record to be set. There are some exceptions to this rule, however.
Special Offers and Discounts - view offers & discounts available to sanctioned events
Resolving Disputes - If requested, USATF will act as an arbiter in disputes between athletes and sanctioned events.
Other - Each Association may provide additional benefits to its sanctioned events. Please contact your local Association for more details.

As there does not appear to be any magic as to what is or is not a sanctioned event and that Lance can participate in a number of marathons, should he be banned as a participant as well as a professional in sanctioned events? The sanctions do allow a exception to be made by the USADA in order to participant so I wonder if a major marathon wants that headache or are content to ban Lance even though he did nor any of his representatives approached Chicago or New York to run.

[jonovision_man]

The strange thing is that I went onto to USATF website. Chicago is a USATF certified course but not a USATF Sanctioned event.

Hmm, that's at odds with this:
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/sports/a ... hon/543345

The marathon is sanctioned by USA Track and Field, and Armstrong’s ban prevents him from entering any events organized, authorized or sanctioned by federations that follow the World Anti-Doping Agency’s rules. Ironman France barred Armstrong for similar reasons after USADA filed doping charges against him in June.

“The code is very clear regarding the ineligibility of sanctioned athletes to compete in other sports,” USATF spokeswoman Jill Geer said in an email. “USATF is a signatory to the WADA code, and we confirmed with the US Anti-Doping Agency that Mr. Armstrong’s ban extends to track and field, road running and all of our sport’s disciplines.”

Also on their site:
http://www.chicagomarathon.com/CMS400Mi ... px?id=5045

The Bank of America Chicago Marathon follows, and participants are subject to, the rules specified by USATF and IAAF. Please visit usatf.org and iaaf.org for additional information concerning the rules mandated by the governing bodies for the sport.

I would think that compliance includes enforcing any relevant bans.

jono

[jamix]

It appears, as suggested above, that he is just seeking media attention, good or bad ... in the case of the Chicago Marathon, he had never even indicated his intention to participate in this year's race, as he had not even submitted a registration, per se, until this announcement was published last week, that regardless, he would not be permitted due to the sanctions placed upon him ...

Err, wouldn't one conclude he is not the one seeking attention based on this. Clearly if these articles were written before he even tried registering, then the media itself are the ones who started this.

[Dstew]

http://www.usatf.org/calendars/searchRe ... mit=Search

USATF website when I did a search of sanctioned events because I was curious. These are events that are certified but not necessarily sanctioned.

But why would it be clear if Lance is involved.

[RobAllen]

It appears, as suggested above, that he is just seeking media attention, good or bad ... in the case of the Chicago Marathon, he had never even indicated his intention to participate in this year's race, as he had not even submitted a registration, per se, until this announcement was published last week, that regardless, he would not be permitted due to the sanctions placed upon him ...

Err, wouldn't one conclude he is not the one seeking attention based on this. Clearly if these articles were written before he even tried registering, then the media itself are the ones who started this.

The problem is that the first release came from the PR firm representing Lance Armstrong. The Chicago Marathon was forced to respond o their release with 1) he never even tried to register and 2) even if he did he would not be allowed.

[jamix]

It appears, as suggested above, that he is just seeking media attention, good or bad ... in the case of the Chicago Marathon, he had never even indicated his intention to participate in this year's race, as he had not even submitted a registration, per se, until this announcement was published last week, that regardless, he would not be permitted due to the sanctions placed upon him ...

Err, wouldn't one conclude he is not the one seeking attention based on this. Clearly if these articles were written before he even tried registering, then the media itself are the ones who started this.

The problem is that the first release came from the PR firm representing Lance Armstrong. The Chicago Marathon was forced to respond o their release with 1) he never even tried to register and 2) even if he did he would not be allowed.

Ah okay.

Sounds strange to me they'd do this. I wouldn't think such exposure would help his foundation but I guess even bad press can be helpful.

[HCcD]

Hah, take that you s*ckers ....

Lance Armstrong continues to compete despite ban
By: Cycling NewsPublished: September 13, 22:13, Updated: September 13, 22:14
Edition:First Edition Cycling News,
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Nearly one month on from being banned from any sanctioned events for life, Lance Armstrong is preparing to race again this weekend at the Alpine Odyssey in Crested Butte, Colorado. The race is a qualifier for the Leadville 100, a race Armstrong won in 2009 and is expected to compete in again in 2013.

Armstrong was given a life ban and was stripped of all of his professional cycling results since August 1, 1998 after refusing to fight charges by the US Anti-Doping Agency, which accused him of doping to win his seven Tours de France and engaging in a widespread doping conspiracy with his team manager Johan Bruyneel and team doctors and trainers.

He has been banned from participating in the Ironman triathlons and the Chicago Marathon, as both types of events are run under federations which are signatories to the World Anti-Doping Agency code.

Because the Leadville Race Series is not sanctioned by any such federation, race organiser Karen Jayne Leinberger of Life Time Fitness sees no problem with his participation, but denied statements from someone she called "a race volunteer" that Armstrong was invited to get more press coverage and boost the race's image.

"From the Leadville Race Series perspective, Lance - just like any other participant who registers for one of our events - is welcome at any time. You see, our organization is passionate about promoting cycling and hosting great events to further the sport. Is this event sanctioned? No. Many of our Leadville Race Series events are not. In fact, this is true across our Athletic Events portfolio. No special treatment or consideration was given here. It’s going to be a beautiful day in Crested Butte with hundreds of racers. One just happens to favor yellow."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-continues-to-compete-despite-ban