TheBman wrote:I will not hide my Livestrong tattoo....
Ouch!
jono
TheBman wrote:I will not hide my Livestrong tattoo....
TheBman wrote:So someone put me on to this thread today only to read pages and pages of comments that give me two impressions:
1- There are indeed people out there who just LOVE to surround themselves with negativity. They seem to spend more time saying hurtful things and enjoy every minute of it. They thrive on the downfall of others...perhaps it makes them feel better....better at life in general, better at pulling the carpet out from underneath others, better at, quite honestly being bitter. Zero sensitivity to those around who perhaps took a bit away from the legacy you so easily denounce with a slight smirk!
2-Having been for a number of years, THE LA FAN of RM, I bow to the awesomeness of others....you know who you are. You seem to know Lance better than, well, frankly LA himself. You posy as if YOU were there when he took his drugs, you saw him ingest it....you pushed the syringe in for him. I feel ashamed that I was posting on RM as a HUGE LA fan, but alas, I knew nothing. Hidden behind the two LA aficionados the board now has, are two people who obviously know the inner circle. Did they work for Postal at one point? Perhaps they used to work at Mellow Johnny's shop and saw emails no one else has seen. I suggest that is Cycling news wants to put the cherry on top of this story, they should read this thread for the REAL, unbiased "proof" that Lance was a cheat.
Cheat or no cheat, I will proudly wear my Livestrong colours...I will not hide my Livestrong tattoo....all while enjoying my happiness filled life helping others cope with cancer rather than living in a negative, hatred filled existence that some are so obviously doing.
In the mean time....read this, to see what that evil man has done to others
http://howsbrian.com/2012/08/how-lance-and-livestrong-totally-screwed-me/
TheBman wrote:So someone put me on to this thread today only to read pages and pages of comments that give me two impressions:
1- There are indeed people out there who just LOVE to surround themselves with negativity. They seem to spend more time saying hurtful things and enjoy every minute of it. They thrive on the downfall of others...perhaps it makes them feel better....better at life in general, better at pulling the carpet out from underneath others, better at, quite honestly being bitter. Zero sensitivity to those around who perhaps took a bit away from the legacy you so easily denounce with a slight smirk!
2-Having been for a number of years, THE LA FAN of RM, I bow to the awesomeness of others....you know who you are. You seem to know Lance better than, well, frankly LA himself. You posy as if YOU were there when he took his drugs, you saw him ingest it....you pushed the syringe in for him. I feel ashamed that I was posting on RM as a HUGE LA fan, but alas, I knew nothing. Hidden behind the two LA aficionados the board now has, are two people who obviously know the inner circle. Did they work for Postal at one point? Perhaps they used to work at Mellow Johnny's shop and saw emails no one else has seen. I suggest that is Cycling news wants to put the cherry on top of this story, they should read this thread for the REAL, unbiased "proof" that Lance was a cheat.
Cheat or no cheat, I will proudly wear my Livestrong colours...I will not hide my Livestrong tattoo....all while enjoying my happiness filled life helping others cope with cancer rather than living in a negative, hatred filled existence that some are so obviously doing.
In the mean time....read this, to see what that evil man has done to others
http://howsbrian.com/2012/08/how-lance-and-livestrong-totally-screwed-me/
TheBman wrote: They seem to spend more time saying hurtful things and enjoy every minute of it. They thrive on the downfall of others...perhaps it makes them feel better....better at life in general, better at pulling the carpet out from underneath others, better at, quite honestly being bitter.
TheBman wrote:Jono...no friend of mine, but I see your point.
Let me ask you this.....who do you look up to that we would all know Jono/Wuwei?
Wu wei wrote:Anyways... more confessions Zabriski, VdV, Danielson:
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Yup. They are supposed to be a neutral organization, aren't they? A report like that should have a certain dry, factual tone about it, not a slant that is basically "rah, rah, we caught him." I mean, comparing USPS team to the Mafia?Wu wei wrote:There are notes about bank payments to Ferrari, emails, a mass of testimony, etc.
And you're concerned about their "tone"?
jonovision_man wrote:What happens to their stage wins and results I wonder?
Leipheimer accepted a suspension from Sept 1 and was disqualified from results from June 1999 to July 30, 2006, and from July 7 to July 29 2007.
Hincapie accepted a suspension from September 1 and disqualification from results from May 31, 2004 to July 31, 2006.
Vande Velde accepted a suspension from September 9 and disqualification from results from June 4, 2004, to April 31, 2006.
Zabriskie accepted a suspension from September 1 and disqualification from results from May 31, 2003 to July 31, 2006.
Danielson accepted a suspension from September 1 and disqualification from results from March 1, 2005 to Sept 23, 2006.
Barry accepted a suspension from September 10 and disqualification from results from May 13, 2003 to July 31, 2006.
Joe Dwarf wrote:They are supposed to be a neutral organization, aren't they?
Joe Dwarf wrote:Yup. They are supposed to be a neutral organization, aren't they? A report like that should have a certain dry, factual tone about it, not a slant that is basically "rah, rah, we caught him." I mean, comparing USPS team to the Mafia?Wu wei wrote:There are notes about bank payments to Ferrari, emails, a mass of testimony, etc.
And you're concerned about their "tone"?
My error on that point. But I still take issue with the tone of their communications.Wu wei wrote:You don't follow cycling much do you? The word "Omerta" is commonly used in the cycling world and has been for a LONG time. USADA is just using the word that everyone else uses.
Joe Dwarf wrote:My error on that point. But I still take issue with the tone of their communications.Wu wei wrote:You don't follow cycling much do you? The word "Omerta" is commonly used in the cycling world and has been for a LONG time. USADA is just using the word that everyone else uses.
Wu wei wrote:Joe Dwarf wrote:My error on that point. But I still take issue with the tone of their communications.Wu wei wrote:You don't follow cycling much do you? The word "Omerta" is commonly used in the cycling world and has been for a LONG time. USADA is just using the word that everyone else uses.
The tone isn't the problem for Lance and company... it's the content.
Jo-Jo wrote:I've been avoiding posting on this thread (actually I think I did post once many pages ago) but here's how I feel (like it really matters )
In the summer of 2004 due to some health stuff I was working a reduced work schedule. I used to go over to a friend's who had a baby and was on Mat Leave...and we'd sit and watch the TDF in the afternoon. I was a relatively new runner then. And to be honest the TDF had never even hit my radar screen until those lazy afternoons hanging out with Evan and Sue. I was inspired by Lance and his team.
Inspired enough that I got this crazy idea that I at 51 I could train for a Marathon and run Boston. I phoned a friend who was an Elite IM athlete and told him my dream and asked for his help. He said yes...I ran a Marathon...and then I ran Boston.
Do I think Lance cheated and doped...well the evidence does seem overwhelming.
Am I disappointed by this: yes.
But I'll admit...I still think back to those days of watching TDF 2004 and getting so inspired by this guy who had beat cancer and gone on to great cycling feats with fondness.
Call me stupid...call me naive...I'm glad Lance inspired me...because I got motivated to go after one of my dreams. And as circumstance would have it...Lance was on the Boston 2008 course when I was...mind you...he did run a tad faster
I have no idea why Lance Armstrong has refuted all these accusations. I'm not sure it's really important that I try and figure it out. I think it's more important that he figures it all out for himself.
drghfx wrote:Jo-Jo wrote:I've been avoiding posting on this thread (actually I think I did post once many pages ago) but here's how I feel (like it really matters )
In the summer of 2004 due to some health stuff I was working a reduced work schedule. I used to go over to a friend's who had a baby and was on Mat Leave...and we'd sit and watch the TDF in the afternoon. I was a relatively new runner then. And to be honest the TDF had never even hit my radar screen until those lazy afternoons hanging out with Evan and Sue. I was inspired by Lance and his team.
Inspired enough that I got this crazy idea that I at 51 I could train for a Marathon and run Boston. I phoned a friend who was an Elite IM athlete and told him my dream and asked for his help. He said yes...I ran a Marathon...and then I ran Boston.
Do I think Lance cheated and doped...well the evidence does seem overwhelming.
Am I disappointed by this: yes.
But I'll admit...I still think back to those days of watching TDF 2004 and getting so inspired by this guy who had beat cancer and gone on to great cycling feats with fondness.
Call me stupid...call me naive...I'm glad Lance inspired me...because I got motivated to go after one of my dreams. And as circumstance would have it...Lance was on the Boston 2008 course when I was...mind you...he did run a tad faster
I have no idea why Lance Armstrong has refuted all these accusations. I'm not sure it's really important that I try and figure it out. I think it's more important that he figures it all out for himself.
Geez, I'm glad your friend didn't have WWE wrestling on TV. I can only imagine what crazy ideas you would have gotten from that!
Jwolf wrote:Be careful Dave. I'm pretty sure Greg knows what it's like for someone close to him to have cancer.
Jwolf wrote:Be careful Dave. I'm pretty sure Greg knows what it's like for someone close to him to have cancer.
purdy65 wrote:Spirit wrote:5 years ago, when I was reading Lance's book, I was inspired. It was a hero's story of climbing to the top of cycling and also beating cancer.
Now, since I believe about the drugs and perhaps the drugs caused the cancer, his book can't be a truthful story. So, Lance inspired me then; now, I'll choose another inspiration.
I agree with you Spirit. I have always quietly and secretly wondered if the doping CAUSED his cancer. I never said it out loud until I read it somewhere that the things he was into in the 90's could defintely make him more susecptible to certain types of cancer - including testicular cancer.
La wrote:purdy65 wrote:Spirit wrote:5 years ago, when I was reading Lance's book, I was inspired. It was a hero's story of climbing to the top of cycling and also beating cancer.
Now, since I believe about the drugs and perhaps the drugs caused the cancer, his book can't be a truthful story. So, Lance inspired me then; now, I'll choose another inspiration.
I agree with you Spirit. I have always quietly and secretly wondered if the doping CAUSED his cancer. I never said it out loud until I read it somewhere that the things he was into in the 90's could defintely make him more susecptible to certain types of cancer - including testicular cancer.
I always believed that to be the case (doping pre-cancer, which caused his cancer). I never expected that he would continue to dope post-cancer, considering how close to death he was. Guess I was wrong.
I quite liked this article from the National Post: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/10/ ... g-anymore/
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